What is wrong with Laos ????

Senoboyish · Veteran Member

What is wrong with Laos ????

Date: Jun 28, 2010

What's your purpose ? for posting the topic. Anyway poor or rich I am proud
to be Lao and born in Lao

Date: Jun 28, 2010

Senoboyish wrote:

I've just been back from my vacation in Saigon Vietnam . And I'm thinking about our country feeling very disappointed !

As I've known , Laos and Vietnam got independence at the same time and in 1990s , Vietnam was even poorer than Laos 'cause of the Soviet Union collapse, but now , look what they've done ! They've got many things while Laos hasn't changed much ! I've seen the tallest building in Saigon which is over 200 meters tall by my own eyes and I asked myself does Vientiane have any building more than 5 floors ? What is wrong with Laos ? We have smaller population , we're supposed to be like Singapore , not like this now !!!!

I wonder when will Vientiane be like this ?

What slows Laos development ? Are we lazy ? I don't think so !

sabaidee Brother, you are right!!! thats why Lao govt is trying to work hard to attract the foreign investment and selling our natural recourse to exchange the capitals.

Laos has less than 7 million people and vietnam? i think more than 60 million people!!!

Don't worry, Laos will reach up the modern world very soon and brother chiese will help us.

Senoboyish · Veteran Member

Anonymous wrote:

What's your purpose ? for posting the topic. Anyway poor or rich I am proud
to be Lao and born in Lao

My purpose is to figure out what is wrong with our country .

-- Edited by Senoboyish on Monday 28th of June 2010 10:09:11 AM

Date: Jun 28, 2010

Senoboyish wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

What's your purpose ? for posting the topic. Anyway poor or rich I am proud
to be Lao and born in Lao

My purpose is to figure out what is wrong with our country .

-- Edited by Senoboyish on Monday 28th of June 2010 10:09:11 AM

there's Nothing wrong with our country (Laos) for sure, Except a person who run or administrative. those people they develop their own personal wealth first and then the country. same **** as previous government...

Senoboyish · Veteran Member

I go around other forums , and I'm like freaking furious when Laotians keep saying that now we're getting tier with China and less affected by Vietnam . What the hell , why do we need to tie with either China or Vietnam or Thailand , we don't wanna be another Chinese province !
And our ****in gov. is like other countries' slave ! That's soooo ashamed !

Date: Jun 28, 2010

What is wrong with you? You want the many tallest buildings in Vientiane and want to see Vientiane overcrowded with lots of traffic jams like in many biggest cities of the world. Why you don't like small cities and less crowded country? I myself like small city like Vientiane.

Date: Jun 28, 2010

Senoboyish wrote:

I go around other forums , and I'm like freaking furious when Laotians keep saying that now we're getting tier with China and less affected by Vietnam . What the hell , why do we need to tie with either China or Vietnam or Thailand , we don't wanna be another Chinese province !
And our ****in gov. is like other countries' slave ! That's soooo ashamed !

Have you ever heard about North America free trade ? NAFTA ?? Why the do America need Mexico and Canada ?? now think about it ...

paris_vientiane · Guru

Anonymous wrote:

What is wrong with you? You want the many tallest buildings in Vientiane and want to see Vientiane overcrowded with lots of traffic jams like in many biggest cities of the world. Why you don't like small cities and less crowded country? I myself like small city like Vientiane.

Same

1- high density cities are not that good. trafic jams, pollution, high home price that mean people have to accept living in small apartments or houses...

2- Laos is only 7 million people for a wide territory. Laos have lot of land for each of its citizen... so laos don't need big buidings, wide roads and so one (but Laos needs good public transport for sure).

This don't mean there is nothing that could be improved there, of course, but don't try to compare with neighgour country. Trying stupitly to copy what other did, without analysis of the good/bads of their choise and without considering that the needs of your countries are maybe not exactly the same is a big mistake.

Laos have to find it's own way.

And most of us love Laos "as it is". There is no reason to feel shame in any maner.

-- Edited by paris_vientiane on Monday 28th of June 2010 11:10:46 AM

Senoboyish · Veteran Member

Anonymous wrote:

What is wrong with you? You want the many tallest buildings in Vientiane and want to see Vientiane overcrowded with lots of traffic jams like in many biggest cities of the world. Why you don't like small cities and less crowded country? I myself like small city like Vientiane.

Singapore and Vancouver have many skyscrapers but they don't have traffic jams , can u explain that ? Skyscrapers aint the problem !

Senoboyish · Veteran Member

paris_vientiane wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

What is wrong with you? You want the many tallest buildings in Vientiane and want to see Vientiane overcrowded with lots of traffic jams like in many biggest cities of the world. Why you don't like small cities and less crowded country? I myself like small city like Vientiane.

Same
1- high density cities are not that good. trafic jams, pollution, high home price that mean people have to accept living in small apartments or houses...
2- Laos is only 7 million people for a wide territory. Laos have lot of land for each of its citizen... so laos don't need big buidings, wide roads and so one (but Laos needs good public transport for sure).
This don't mean there is nothing that could be improved there, of course, but don't try to compare with neighgour country. Trying stupitly to copy what other did, without analysis of the good/bads of their choise and without considering that the needs of your countries are maybe not exactly the same is a big mistake.
Laos have to find it's own way.
And most of us love Laos "as it is". There is no reason to feel shame in any maner.

-- Edited by paris_vientiane on Monday 28th of June 2010 11:10:46 AM

All the buildings in Saigon center is office buildings , we don't need resident buildings so the problem is not related with our population .We need to build office buildings to provide the domestic and foreign companies offices .

No office buildings means no financial development !

-- Edited by Senoboyish on Monday 28th of June 2010 12:08:35 PM

Date: Jun 28, 2010

Senoboyish wrote:

I go around other forums , and I'm like freaking furious when Laotians keep saying that now we're getting tier with China and less affected by Vietnam . What the hell , why do we need to tie with either China or Vietnam or Thailand , we don't wanna be another Chinese province !
And our ****in gov. is like other countries' slave ! That's soooo ashamed !

I'm with you on this.
ລັຖບານລາວມີແຕ່ຄົນຜິການຈັ່ງຄ່ອຍໄດ້ອາໃສເເຕ່ປະເທດອື່ນຊ່ອຍພາແລ່ນປະ
ເທດຂອງຕົນເອງ

Date: Jun 28, 2010

Senoboyish wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

What is wrong with you? You want the many tallest buildings in Vientiane and want to see Vientiane overcrowded with lots of traffic jams like in many biggest cities of the world. Why you don't like small cities and less crowded country? I myself like small city like Vientiane.

Singapore and Vancouver have many skyscrapers but they don't have traffic jams , can u explain that ? Skyscrapers aint the problem !

when is last time you in singapore . On Orchard road IN SINGAPORE I GOT STOCK ALMOST TWO HRS EVERY DAY

Date: Jun 28, 2010

Anonymous wrote:

Senoboyish wrote:

I've just been back from my vacation in Saigon Vietnam . And I'm thinking about our country feeling very disappointed !

As I've known , Laos and Vietnam got independence at the same time and in 1990s , Vietnam was even poorer than Laos 'cause of the Soviet Union collapse, but now , look what they've done ! They've got many things while Laos hasn't changed much ! I've seen the tallest building in Saigon which is over 200 meters tall by my own eyes and I asked myself does Vientiane have any building more than 5 floors ? What is wrong with Laos ? We have smaller population , we're supposed to be like Singapore , not like this now !!!!

I wonder when will Vientiane be like this ?

What slows Laos development ? Are we lazy ? I don't think so !

sabaidee Brother, you are right!!! thats why Lao govt is trying to work hard to attract the foreign investment and selling our natural recourse to exchange the capitals.
Laos has less than 7 million people and vietnam? i think more than 60 million people!!!
Don't worry, Laos will reach up the modern world very soon and brother chiese will help us.

You need to go back and do more research about this information.
Laos has never been richer than Vietnam or more advenced than Vietnam before or after 1975.

Senoboyish · Veteran Member

Anonymous wrote:

You need to go back and do more research about this information.
Laos has never been richer than Vietnam or more advenced than Vietnam before or after 1975.

I read it somewhere on the Internet , it said when Soviet Union Collapse , Vietnam economy fell down without brake and its GDP per capita in 1991-1995 is lower than Laos and Cambodia ( around 150-250 USD )

lao-boy · Veteran Member

Lao Goverment will built builging like another country laos can make tall building 50 to 70 floor easily but they have to built their porket first they have so many peoples in their party then they will built tall building don`t worry my friend they will ,keep dreaming

Date: Jun 28, 2010

get lost brothe furious

chenko · Veteran Member

Senoboyish wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You need to go back and do more research about this information.
Laos has never been richer than Vietnam or more advenced than Vietnam before or after 1975.

I read it somewhere on the Internet , it said when Soviet Union Collapse , Vietnam economy fell down without brake and its GDP per capita in 1991-1995 is lower than Laos and Cambodia ( around 150-250 USD )

Date: Jun 28, 2010

Anonymous wrote:

What is wrong with you? You want the many tallest buildings in Vientiane and want to see Vientiane overcrowded with lots of traffic jams like in many biggest cities of the world. Why you don't like small cities and less crowded country? I myself like small city like Vientiane.

An idiot like you only know riding on buffalos; face it Laos will always be hundred steps behind others. yawn

Senoboyish · Veteran Member

chenko wrote:

Senoboyish wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You need to go back and do more research about this information.
Laos has never been richer than Vietnam or more advenced than Vietnam before or after 1975.

I read it somewhere on the Internet , it said when Soviet Union Collapse , Vietnam economy fell down without brake and its GDP per capita in 1991-1995 is lower than Laos and Cambodia ( around 150-250 USD )

Wow ! Exactly what I mentioned !

paris_vientiane · Guru

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

What is wrong with you? You want the many tallest buildings in Vientiane and want to see Vientiane overcrowded with lots of traffic jams like in many biggest cities of the world. Why you don't like small cities and less crowded country? I myself like small city like Vientiane.

An idiot like you only know riding on buffalos; face it Laos will always be hundred steps behind others.

And, you, you are very clever.. you are right, the size of the buildings is certainly a very good indicator to measure the quality of life and the richness of a country! For sure!

You should apply for a statistic expert position! biggrin

lao-boy · Veteran Member

i AM 100 % lao and I am in laos now, to me I never dream to see laos have tall building imposible look at ANOUSAVALY or PATOUXAY they builted since my father was young he is 75 now still not done 100% yet so dom`t talk about hi-building talk about enough income from goverment give to us first lot of peoples living in small hut ,we need to build these thing before tall building 50 70 floor

Date: Jun 29, 2010

For Laos, a very poor and small country, just think small and be content with what Laos have. Don't think big and Laos will not have the big problems.

Date: Jun 29, 2010

Senoboy, have you been to Pakse yet? Champa Grand Hotel in Pakse has 12 storey.

Date: Jun 29, 2010

Senoboyish wrote:

I've just been back from my vacation in Saigon Vietnam . And I'm thinking about our country feeling very disappointed !

As I've known , Laos and Vietnam got independence at the same time and in 1990s , Vietnam was even poorer than Laos 'cause of the Soviet Union collapse, but now , look what they've done ! They've got many things while Laos hasn't changed much ! I've seen the tallest building in Saigon which is over 200 meters tall by my own eyes and I asked myself does Vientiane have any building more than 5 floors ? What is wrong with Laos ? We have smaller population , we're supposed to be like Singapore , not like this now !!!!

I wonder when will Vientiane be like this ?

What slows Laos development ? Are we lazy ? I don't think so !

What is wrong with u? U need to get your head examine and please don't call yourself Lao.

Date: Jun 29, 2010

chenko wrote:

Senoboyish wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You need to go back and do more research about this information.
Laos has never been richer than Vietnam or more advenced than Vietnam before or after 1975.

I read it somewhere on the Internet , it said when Soviet Union Collapse , Vietnam economy fell down without brake and its GDP per capita in 1991-1995 is lower than Laos and Cambodia ( around 150-250 USD )

at one point after 1975 we can bring a pound of MSG and to go Vietnam to exchange for gold... U figure it out what i am trying to say.

Date: Jun 29, 2010

That's because Vietnam had more population than Laos 20 times more yawn

chiip · Guru

If you want to be like them I have a proposition for you :
1. stop to be lazy and start to working hard, study hard from now to the end of your life.
2. stop eating khaoniew and like all asian people, start eating white rice like VN because it cost less in term of production, you can produce more than one and a half quantity with the same size of land (I had experienced it and other thing it is heavier than khaoniew).
3. stop making a siesta after lunch
4. stop thinking that you are rich and spending less than you earn
5. start to drink less beer and other expensive alcoholic brewery
6. Apply to averyday life the great Uncle Ho saying :" if you want to be rich, lead your life as if you are poor and if you want to be poor, lead your life as if you are rich !"
If you cannot change yourself and lead your life as I proposed, stop dreaming of reaching the vietnamese economic level and start to think otherwise, building our beloved laos in the lao way, keep the environment tight, clean, make poor people reaching the good healthcare and good education, build our housing that suits us the most.
to tell the truth, I prefer to live in my actual small house than having to climb to the fiftieth storey when the lift was out of order Hahaha !

Date: Jun 30, 2010

Senoboyish said .....................All the buildings in Saigon center is office buildings , we don't need resident buildings so the problem is not related with our population .We need to build office buildings to provide the domestic and foreign companies offices .

No office buildings means no financial development !

Oh boy,

let's build these dream buildings from today and we will have
35-75 floors / 50 buildings. with the new technologies and
western work force............ that will take 5 years, if we hire 50 teams designers/engineers/achitecs (my close friend did designing 7 hotels 35-40 floors buildings for pejiing olympic games in 2008, i can help for connection if you need),
500-700 contruction engineers,
take 3,000-7,000 vietnamese or chinese workers.
the time frame may vary, depends on a lot of weather condition and politic climate in the country (building permit) and all needed research.
if we put on average 50,000 sqft for floor, 50 floors average for a building. a building = 2,500,000 sqft.
50 bdngsx2,500,000 = 125,000,000 sqft.
adding all neccessary admenities, infrastruture, transport,
el. power, water and waste managerment, entertament, hopitals,
any kinds of services, that breathing creaters who will liv or work there will need.

NOW SENOBOYISH, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO DO A MATH (i hope, at least you were graduated from your 5th grade).
- HOW MUCH A SQUARE FT WILL COST ?
- WHO FROM THIS 6,500,000 LAOTIANE WILL LIVE OR LEASE THESE SPACE TO DO A BUSINESS ?
- WHAT KIND OF BUSINESS THAT NEEDS THESE TALL AND MODERN BUIDLINGS (YOU SAID...... IF WE HAVE TALL BUILDING, THAT IS THE INDICATION OF RICHNESS, YOU ARE RIGHT)?
- MY 6TH GRAD MATH TELLS ME SIMPLE, THAT WE DON'T WANT NOR NEED THIS KIND OF ARCHITECTURE YET.

Please senoboyISH, just calmdown and walk as we can, a not as neighbor run !
i hope you find the answer, why VTE does not have tall building.

my3cent
P.S. sorry senoboyish, i have only 3cent, can not help with the fund.

Date: Jun 30, 2010

senoboyish asking....................Singapore and Vancouver have many skyscrapers but they don't have traffic jams , can u explain that ? Skyscrapers aint the problem !

hey senoboyish, you are my neighbor in laos and here in the USA, let share a cup of coffee in some week end ! hit me a time plz !

my3cent

P.S. i would ask you to leave the politic or any kind of why laos dis or dad.

just have a coffee and enjoy the sun would you !?

chiip · Guru

wow ! we need 5000-7000 construction workers (vietnameses or chineses) Oh ! my God ! at least ten dollars a day within 5 years ... it is to say more than 126.000.000 usd of labor force cost not including other expenses. where will you find a blind investor to build such a skyscraper in laos senoboyish ? and this kind a building need tight maintenances which cost a lot too.
no, thanks, I rather go to boil my eggs...chiken eggs of course ! Hahaha!

Senoboyish · Veteran Member

You guys are talking nonsense ! 5000 workers for a skyscraper ? have u ever seen a construction with 5000 workers in it ?
I've been inside a skyscraper construction in Singapore , there are only about 50 workers .

lao-boy · Veteran Member

OK GUY I am dreaming big city like another country I am pround what I have , I am trying to worj hard for my family to have food day by day ,talking high building in laos forget it if lao peoples living in laos just stop dreaming ,before we thinking to make high building just think how to make bycicle first if we don`t know how to make bycicle how we make 50 floor building ? smile

Date: Jun 30, 2010

The PDR's Government can allow any Investors coming in and build the tallest building in the world all over Laos if they want to, But, if your people don't have any strong foundation and thoes building is nothing, period.

Date: Jun 30, 2010

Yep I Poum jai thy kek peng Lao, I pround I'M Lao ,What a matter with you , are dump ,Lao have a WAR WAR WAR for many many year,And specialy Lao has been Colony of france to many year & every country belong to France never ever develop our self,inclue lao, that why our country has no time to contruction and building like other country ,Look mate if you are upset with that please stay where you are don't blame it , .I field sorry for you to be Lao.When you pass away let reborn in MARS...

Senoboyish · Veteran Member

Da Nang City in Vietnam , smaller population than Vientiane (900 000 in 2009 ) but GDP is 2 billions USD ( almost 30% Laos GDP ). You see ? population is not the problem.

-- Edited by Senoboyish on Wednesday 30th of June 2010 02:36:23 PM

Date: Jun 30, 2010

Senoboyish wrote:

Da Nang City in Vietnam , smaller population than Vientiane (900 000 in 2009 ) but GDP is 2 billions USD ( almost 30% Laos GDP ). You see ? population is not the problem.

-- Edited by Senoboyish on Wednesday 30th of June 2010 02:36:23 PM

Danang is a major seaport for Vietnam, and Danang is where all major Exports and Imported coming in and going out.. we can't compare that to our Capital Vientiane. but good explaination.

Date: Jun 30, 2010

This video in youtube you can see Ho Chi Minh city and Hanoi, by South East Asia.
Vietnam skyline update part 2

chiip · Guru

we might compare vientiane to saigon only when we have access to the sea ...hmm by the way, it seems that vietnam had offered us to use the danang sea port but we seldom hear any news from it and in the other hand, I don.t know whether we still have some lao sailing boats in the international sea ...

Date: Jul 1, 2010

I believe LAO still using that port because I saw this news not long ago.

Senoboyish · Veteran Member

Some videos of Saigon here , really breath-taking !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBbnZ16xNQs

I've been to Saigon but I haven't seen all these

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW_Dt22lcDY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4pyXRSDi6Q

Date: Jul 1, 2010

Vietnam financial tower in Ho Chi Minh city was designed by an american.

Senoboyish · Veteran Member

Anonymous wrote:

Vietnam financial tower in Ho Chi Minh city was designed by an american.

Yer , but Bitexco is a Vietnamese company .

I was there couple days ago . They allow tourists to go inside the building and visit the helipad floor which has a great view outside the city .

I went inside like twice and it was so much fun .

I also visited Vinpeal land in Nha Trang and I swear that Nha Trang underwater park could totally put Singapore amusement park into shame .

Senoboyish · Veteran Member

Senoboyish wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Vietnam financial tower in Ho Chi Minh city was designed by an american.

Yer , but Bitexco is a Vietnamese company .
I was there couple days ago . They allow tourists to go inside the building and visit the helipad on the 50th floor which has a great view outside the city .
I went inside like twice and it was so much fun .
Here are some of my photos :

Curious tourists and me on the elevator.

I also visited Vinpeal land in Nha Trang and I swear that Nha Trang underwater park could totally put Singapore amusement park into shame .

-- Edited by Senoboyish on Thursday 1st of July 2010 04:54:28 AM

akaminnya · Member

I had been to Danang once in 2009 and its was amazing... planning take a trip next year
the people are nice, good food (I gained 10 pounds in just several weeks :P), and the streets are super clean...
and I noticed that everything in Vietnam are super expensive since when I had been in 2004... the cars in there are pretty high..a normal size car cost like about 20,000-40,000 USD that's why many people are riding scooters in VN today

The beach really surprised me

-- Edited by akaminnya on Monday 5th of July 2010 02:33:02 AM

-- Edited by akaminnya on Monday 5th of July 2010 02:35:06 AM

Date: Jul 5, 2010

Be patient people LAO will be different in 2020 many projects just starting now so things need time to be done.

akaminnya · Member

-- Edited by akaminnya on Monday 5th of July 2010 05:24:53 AM

Date: Jul 5, 2010

Anonymous wrote:

Be patient people LAO will be different in 2020 many projects just starting now so things need time to be done.

you mean, the hydro power project on Mekong?? new airport? sky train project?
bridge construction project? china town project? sun paper factory project? Lao cement construction project? railway project? gold mining project in Pubia and thakek? copper project in savanakhet??

new airport in Luangprbang project?? electricity line under ground project?????

Date: Jul 5, 2010

akaminnya wrote:

I noticed that everything in Vietnam are super expensive since when I had been in 2004... the cars in there are pretty high..a normal size car cost like about 20,000-40,000 USD that's why many people are riding scooters in VN today

These pictures would make you think different way . VN has many scooters and many cars too.
I wonder when will Laos has all these amount of cars
Saigon traffic:

chiip · Guru

Oh ! my God ! seeing these pix made me headache ! the more you go slowely, the higher your oil consumption is ...I wonder how they manage to be at work on time ? Even now, I manage to go to work very early in the morning to avoid road congestion.