France was from Frank The Great(12 th century?) but Laos was found in Munxu Chronicle ( China,12th century).That time all europeans believed that our earth was flat.Toong Hai Hin is to be talked to Khun Juang is much much older than colonies of France.
Is that you guys so proud that you was under feet of French colonial? If so.. no wonder that our Lao still poor like this!
you should read some history books: Lao king asked to be under french protection because he couldn't fight against china thieves and Thai... this is the story of the french colonial
I believe the name Lao comes from the old Chinese name for the Tai peoples, Ai-Lao.
In early 1900 English texts, it is say that "Lao" came from the Shan and Tai-Siam people and it simply meant "man".
The Lao people were divided into two groups, Lao Kao and Lao Dam. The Lao Dam were called Black Lao because they use to tattoo themselves pretty near dark. The Lao Kao did not tattoo themselves.
The French came and made "Lao" plural by calling them "Les Lao".
Present-day Laos may be the place where many ancient kingdoms existed but they were not called Laos and the very idea of Laos would probably not exist today if the French had not seized the lands East of the Mekong from the Siamese. Laos would be just another part of Thailand. Like all of the Isaarn part of Thailand where many people have already forgotten they have anything in common with people in Laos.
The person post above must be Thai no Laos...... But the fact that Thai stold all Laotian Lands and their peoples. As you know Thai Esan is old laotian. They talk like Laotian, eat like laotian, dress, sing like laotian and ect........ If you want to know then read the history of Laotian... Thai history changed too much to make it like everythings belong to Thai or Siamese. As you know now Siamese is call Thai??????
The person post above must be Thai no Laos...... But the fact that Thai stold all Laotian Lands and their peoples. As you know Thai Esan is old laotian. They talk like Laotian, eat like laotian, dress, sing like laotian and ect........ If you want to know then read the history of Laotian... Thai history changed too much to make it like everythings belong to Thai or Siamese. As you know now Siamese is call Thai??????
Om, no this person is actually right.
After Lan Xang split up, it was quickly overran by invaders such as the Burmese, Siamese, Vietnamese, etc.
Vientiane was a vassal of Siam. Siam, when the Europeans had come in, simply drew their border around current day Laos. If you look at old Maps of Siam, Lao cities of Vientiane, Luang Phrabang, Pakse, are all included into Siam.
Then in 1828 AD, Chao Anouvong of Vientiane rebelled against the Siamese but failed, leading to a sacking and destruction of Vientiane. It was only years after that when the French had come into Vietnam that the King of Luang Phrabang asked the French for Protection, thus Luang Prhabang and all the Lao Lands East of the Mekong became "Laos". The French had made treaties after treaties for more and more land West of the Mekong.
In WWII, the Thai invaded those parts of Land West of the Mekong, parts in Champassak, where my father is from. After WWII, the French threatened to Veto Thailand's entry into the United Nations unless the land was given back to Laos.
Is that you guys so proud that you was under feet of French colonial? If so.. no wonder that our Lao still poor like this!
Personally, I absolutely support this comment. However, I would like to share my thought about this issue. Actually, it's quite understandable. When you gain something from somebody, you would praise him. Likewise, the person who posted this might enjoy his or her life in France, he/she also would be proud that Laos was French colony. That's the human nature. In fact, if he/she would think carefully, he/she may change his/her mind. I think, it is outdated issue. If you asked Lao people living in Laos whether they proud or not that Laos was French colony, they all would say "No" angrily or they may ask you back like: " Why you ask so stupid question?" It may be true that there were some things good left for Lao people, like someone mentioned earlier that if not because of France, Laos would have been Siam entirely, no Laos anymore. But I don't think so. If not French ruler, our ancestors might fight back and gained all our land including Isaan, though, who knows? The fact is there was harm than good. When Laos was French colony, France took lots of things for the sake its people, but built nothing in Laos, no any infrastructures, as you may know or may not, but Laos is poor now for sure you know. I think, if our ancestors would have known that someone of our generation are proud of being France's colony, they would have cried and died with unclosed eyes. You may know our Prince Souphanouvong together with Lao people sacrificed their life for our country independent which is really expensive for them and should be for us, new Lao generation. Now is already 21st century, the century of cooperation. I think we should look for the bright future of our nation. Personally, I really appreciate the foreign policy of our government, welcoming all friendly countries to invest their money in Laos which based on mutual benefits regardless of their political beliefs. Either France or Thailand (Siam) or other countries are welcome as long as long as you come as the partners, but not dictators or destroyers or anti-government. Â
Is that you guys so proud that you was under feet of French colonial? If so.. no wonder that our Lao still poor like this!
I don't know what that really means, because the grammar was so horrible.
Yes, admittedly, but to some extent you understand what he wanted to say, isn't right? May I help him to corect the grammar, at least he is a real Lao person who sincerely wrote from his heart. He wanted to say: " Are you guys so proud that our country was France's colony? If yes, no wonder our Laos is still poor like this. Sorry to author of the mentioned message, if I was wrong.   Â
Why you guys care much about the English grammar? Is it not our mother language, and even our own mother language, we still make a lot of mistake.
Can you understand the following message?
"Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe."
That is quality but is he sentence 'the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae' grammatically correct. Should it not be 'olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer are in the rghit pclae'.?
A sense of Humour topic turned into something quite interesting discussion. I have to agree with TSP in saying the french colonist did not do much things for LAO when they rules Lao, it's in the Document called 'Slow boat from Surabaya' done by the BBC, in this document the english stated that in all colonists the french is the sticky one, it stated while the french offered some protection for Lao at that time whatever they did they collected tax from Lao's people and build virtually nothing but their own houses, buildings for themselve not for Lao's people. Look back to many countries throughout the world whether in Africa or Asia I believe the english's document told us the truth. So nothing to be pround of being ruled by the french. Independent as LAO stands now is much better.
from this web http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,193406,00.html
VIENTIANE, Laos — The remains of a centuries-old temple, along with thousands of historical artifacts, have been uncovered in and around the Lao capital during excavations for the upgrade of a major road, a newspaper said Wednesday.
Lao archaeologists believe the temple Vat Yotkeo dates back to the 1548-1571 rule of King Sai Setthathirat, the Vientiane Times said. Fittingly, the ruins have been found on what is now called Setthathirat road.
The temple was destroyed by the Thais, who burned and pillaged Vientiane in 1828.
In addition to the temple, archaeologists have also unearthed about 10,000 artifacts, including a stone ax that could be 4,000 years old, the paper said.
The artifacts were found during an archaeological survey ahead of the upgrade of national route No. 1 which runs through Vientiane from the airport to the Friendship Bridge, which spans the Mekong River frontier with Thailand.
The Japanese, who are behind the road project, are giving high priority to the survey before potentially damaging construction work begins.
Director of Archaeological Research Viengkeo Souksavatdy said that the finds "help us to better understand the history of Vientiane and how it developed as a community," the report said.
Remains found at the temple include parts of a ceremonial hall, the base of a large Buddha image, smaller Buddha images, pottery and roof tiles, the paper said.
Vientiane was razed by the Thais following the defeat of the last king of the Vientiane dynasty of Lan Xang, Chao Anouvong. The population abandoned the city, and soil and jungle covered the remains of the damaged buildings.
Large-scale construction did not recommence until the French arrived toward the end of the nineteenth century to colonize the country.
Is that you guys so proud that you was under feet of French colonial? If so.. no wonder that our Lao still poor like this!
I don't know what that really means, because the grammar was so horrible.
Yes, admittedly, but to some extent you understand what he wanted to say, isn't right? May I help him to corect the grammar, at least he is a real Lao person who sincerely wrote from his heart. He wanted to say: " Are you guys so proud that our country was France's colony? If yes, no wonder our Laos is still poor like this. Sorry to author of the mentioned message, if I was wrong.
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I decided to point out the poster's horrible grammar in reponse to his horrible comment about French Colonialism in Laos.
The French saved the Lao from becoming intergrated into a "Thai"-land. That is how I see it.
I think when someone says 'living under somebody's rule or thumb is like living under their feet' =joo tai far teen it sounds harsh but that's another way is to say you are slave. When i watch 'Slow boat of Surabaya' it runs about 6 hours, BBC made this document to tell the story of Asean countries under french's occupation, or french's colony and Dutch, British as well. From Singapour, Indonesia to South East Asia countries and the document ended at Philipines. What it told us is that France ruled Lao, the french offered some protection and provide everything for the Royal's family in return the french just ran the country, Lao's king virtually had no power. The document did not state much about french helping Lao becoming Thailand's land but the state of life of lao people, it said lao people did not get anything from the french, whatever the french did, building roads....and other things they collected tax back from lao people. Unlike the British, they built quite many things....look at India, Shanghai China, Singapour....the french is the stubborn and sticky colonist according to BBC.
Put it this way NO GOOD. Independent like LAO is now better. When you have your independent is different to see that look at when LAO goes to visit other country, you stand equal and along side with other country, or which ever country LAO wanted to invite to the house is Lao's decision.
