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The Thai and Lao languages both belong to the Tai language family and are closely related. Different aspects of the languages are compared here.


Vocabulary: Possibly 70 percent of the words in Thai and Lao are the same (there hasn't been a count), but many common words are different including pronouns, negatives, wh- question words, and vocabulary like "walk", "little", "run", "look", "book", and "bottle". Some words may be the same but are used in different ways in the two languages. For example, heuan, the general word for "house" in Lao also means "house" in Thai but is only used formally. High level words are usually the same in the two languages because they were taken from Sanskrit and Pali.


Sentence Structure: The grammar of the two languages is almost identical so structures like comparatives, tenses, and the use of conjunctions are the same. There are some small differences, especially in the formation of several types of questions: "Have you...yet?" is formed with reu yang? in Thai but with laeo baw? in Lao. Negative questions like "You're not going?" are Mai pai reuh? in Thai but Baw pai baw? in Lao. (Baw in Lao is the equivalent of mai in Thai.)

Pronunciation: Lao has one sound - ny - which isn't present in Thai. "Not yet" is nyang in Lao but yang in Thai, and "woman" is phoo nying in Lao and phoo ying in Thai. Tones on words vary throughout the region but follow the same system.


Mutually unintelligible: Despite being so similar, it's not possible to understand Lao if you speak only Thai and vice versa. You will hear many words you know and may understand some complete sentences, but there are enough differences, especially in basic vocabulary, to make the two languages mutually unintelligible. Because high level words are mostly the same it's easier for a Thai speaker to understand high-level Lao than informal Lao (and vice versa).

Speaking styles: Laotians speak in a straightforward way without adding the polite words (ka/krup) common in Thai and without the elaborate word play that some Thais like to use. Lao may sound more formal than Thai because Laotians tend to speak in complete sentences and include the pronouns "I" and "you". This is in contrast to Thai where informal conversation is abbreviated in a cute, fun way, and pronouns are usually omitted. (In both Thai and Lao words can be omitted from sentences, and the more complete a sentence is the more formal it sounds.)

Writing: Lao and Thai have similar alphabets and most of the letters are the same. Sentences are written in the same way: from left to right and with no spaces between words. Thai writing remains closer to Sanskrit/Pali and has many more consonants than Lao (for example, four letters with an "s" sound). Lao was revised to be written phonetically by law so that it could be read more easily by non-Lao ethnic groups, and many of the extra consonants were eliminated and the spelling rules simplified (there are only two letters with an "s" sound). A person who can read Thai can learn to read Lao in a few hours, but a Lao reader needs to learn 20-odd new consonants, plus some complicated spelling rules, to be able to read Thai.


 


Sociolinguistics of Thai and Lao


Dominant Languages: Thai and Lao are just two of the many Tai languages in the four-country region of Thailand, Laos, Myanmar, and Vietnam. All of the Tai languages have similar vocabulary, grammar, and tone structure. Thai and Lao have been studied the most of all the Tai languages. There are few books or academic papers on Shan, Thai Dam, Phuan, and other Tai languages.

Thai and Lao became the dominant languages in their respective countries for the same reason that any language becomes dominant: the ethnic group that speaks it becomes politically dominant and their language is held up as the standard. Other languages continue to be spoken but are considered regional or outlying languages, and may also be regarded as inferior by the dominant group. As a saying goes: "A language is a dialect with an army".


The histories of Thai and Lao follow this pattern. Central Thais (or Siamese) became the dominant ethnic group along the Chao Phra Ya River basin in the south while ethnic Laotians dominated the Mekong River basin in the north. The languages of other groups, both Tai and non-Tai, became minor languages or "regional dialects" as they're called in Thailand.



A Short History of Isan: The native people of Northeastern Thailand are ethnic Laotians and the language they speak is Lao, officially called "Isan" or "Thai-Isan". The name change from "Lao" to "Isan" came in the 70's when the Lao PDR was becoming Communist. A war raged along the Mekong River border in the 70's with some villagers on the Thai side fighting with the Communists, and the Thai army fighting battles to keep the area part of Thailand. Not wanting Northeasterners to identify with or become sympathetic to Communist Laos because of their shared ethnicity, the Thai government began a campaign to change the self-identity of Northeastern people from "Lao" to "Isan". The campaign worked so well that at the present time some Northeasterners don't know their language is the same as that spoken in the Lao PDR (although some Isan people still call themselves and their language "Lao").


Where is Lao/Isan Spoken?- In Thailand, most Isan people are bilingual in Lao/Isan and Thai. They use Thai in school, government offices, in commercial areas of Isan towns, and when living in other parts of Thailand, but use Lao or Lao mixed with Thai at home. Not everyone in NE Thailand can speak Lao, though. The language or languages a person speaks depends on his or her family background: people born in traditional Lao/Isan families usually speak the language fluently while Thai families who have moved to Isan from Central Thailand speak Thai and know how to speak Lao/Isan only if they have close contact with Isan people and a need or desire to learn the language.


Some Central Thais living outside of Isan are able to speak Lao/Isan, or at least know some words and phrases. These people have usually lived in Isan or Laos, are married to a Lao or Isan person, or have worked or gone to school with people from Isan and developed an interest in the language.



Who speaks Thai in Laos?
- In the Lao PDR, most Laotians living near the border can understand Thai, although they may not speak it well because their understanding comes from listening to Thai TV and radio. In areas of Laos further away from the border the number of people who understand Thai decreases because a satellite dish is needed to pick up Thai TV. Ethnic Laotian enjoy Thai TV and music because the two cultures are so similar. Laotians who speak Thai may have studied or worked in Thailand, be married to a Thai, come from a Thai-Lao family, or travel to Thailand for commercial trading.


Attitudes:
Before the economic and educational boom that began in the 80's, Isan people were considered rustic by Central Thais, but the increase in contact within Thailand and the general development of the country has caused many Thais to have a more pluralistic approach to ethnic relations. At present it's rarer to see Central Thais looking down on Isan people, although this was very overt behavior in the past. Respect for Lao/Isan language culture (and also Northern and Southern Thai language and culture) has increased partly by the active promotion of non-Central Thai cultures by the Thai government and universities.


The Future of Lao: When Laos opened to the non-communist world in 1990 there was a lot of fear that the Lao language would disappear as Thailand took over Laos economically and culturally. This hasn't happened, in fact, China has more economic influence in Laos than Thailand. At this time it looks like the Lao language will remain strong in the Lao PDR for these reasons:


1. The Lao government doesn't allow Thai to be used in the media and in schools.
2. Newspapers, books, and TV and radio programs in Lao language are distributed throughout the country.
3 .Laotian people consider themselves different from Thais. They identify strongly with their culture and language, are proud of it and want to preserve it.

In practice, the two languages are so close that Laotians pick up Thai vocabulary easily, especially slang, pop words, and coined words dealing with modern concepts. The time is a long way off, though, when the majority of Laotians are using mai instead of baw.


It isn't so certain if Isan can maintain its language. It's possible that Isan people will be assimilated with Central Thais as people move around and intermarry more. The time may come when Isan is urbanized with mechanized sticky rice farming; when there are no more pakamas and village temple fairs and the memory of the culture is maintained in old songs and broadcasts from the Lao PDR. On the plus side Isan universities are active in promoting Isan language and cultural studies. There are cultural exchanges with the Lao PDR and many Thai tourists travel to Laos. In the future the Lao PDR may have a strong role in keeping Lao culture alive in Isan.


 (The above are personal views based on my experiences living in both Thailand and Laos. Please send comments to the email address on the HOME page - J. Higbie.)


Do you agree or disagree with the article above?



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It sounds just about right. It's good that you clarified about the origin of the language. Some foreigners who don't know about it can have the wrong idea about the langauage and the people. People tend to form the wrong idea about something they don't know much about. They might think Laos come from humble beginning and other cultures have made things richer, brighter, and nicer through their positive influence. I know Laos haven't had a lot of cultural and economic development like the neighboring countries. Before the French Colonial period, Laos socio-economic status in the world was equal to most of their neighbors. Nowadays, it's rank is about Cambodia in terms of economic wealth. Vietnam's practicality and recent success in the western world definitely stands out among the Indo-Chinese. However, it doesn't have a long track record of being a wealthy society and I think they are good business partner, but not the best that Southeast Asian has to offer. Thailand, Laos closest kin and neighbor have a longer track record of being a developing country that has some culture and structure. Some Laos people can easily identify with Thai because the population is saturated with Laos and Chinese mainly. The other Southeast Asian countries and Polynesian countries like the Philipines are American and Western creations.

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Many of my friends always say that Lao culture is the same to Thai. But I think that's because they have never come to Laos and have never heard about Lao culture before.



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It is not exactly the same. There are some differences and similarities between the two cultures. As a whole, Thais have higher socio-economic status. This doesn't mean Lao people are less-than. I know Thais in general don't think highly about Lao people. In fact, Lao seems to work better with their other neighbors, than with Thai, who sometimes will work against Lao people.

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Lao language is not as poise as Thai langauge. But Lao language is more poise than languages of other neighboring countries.

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Many of my friends always say that Lao culture is the same to Thai. 

 




 Say : Many of my friends always say that Thai Culture is the same to Lao ! :)


Good information, we know already. But, it's a dream if Isaan come back to Laos ? :D



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Hi everyone
I'm thai " Isan " from NakhonPhanom , Thailand close to Tha-kek , LaoPDR , not new to Lao websites but a long time visitor in Samakomlao , Inlao , Laosmile , Laohub , Au8ust , Mahasan and all LaoNews websites. My favorite is Au8ust " Tan Nin " web.
This is my first time logged in & posting in LaoWebsite.
I'm not agree with Guru about " the name change from Lao to Isan in 70's during Lao revolution " it's not correct , Isan is name from it location not race, in Thai Isan mean northeastern nothing related with any ethnicity. I'm quite worry about some misunderstanding in our history still occured and some day will ruin our relationships.
My family is mixed Thai-Lao , my grandfather he is Lao from Vientien and many of my hai relative married with Lao people , so I have many cousins in Lao too.
In 75's my family welcome many Lao relatives who across the Mekong to get away from the communist invader , many lives in another country and some remain lived in Thailand.
I know that people on both side of the Mekong river they still be a good friend, a good neighbor. Don't let any stupid fool you.

tai nakhon

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LEKNKP,

This is my first time logged in & posting in LaoWebsite.
I'm not agree with Guru about " the name change from Lao to Isan in 70's during Lao revolution " it's not correct , Isan is name from it location not race, in Thai Isan mean northeastern nothing related with any ethnicity. I'm quite worry about some misunderstanding in our history still occured and some day will ruin our relationships.

The author did not mention the name change was per the region or the people living there. He just said it was offcially change to Isan so the people living in the are would not identify themselves as Lao.

I am just glad that they now know they are Lao people and Isan was just lable placed there by Thai government to seperate them from their true heritage.









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Many peoples in Isan or Northeastern Thailand which used to belong to Lanexang Kingdom know very well that their language and culture are Lao
not Thai. Isan peoples speak Lao, eat sticky rice and Lao food. They weave Lao sinh or salong and they made Padaek and eat Padaek. They are Thai-Lao peoples.

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It doesn't matter where the land belonged too, the point is that culture doesn't have boundaries like politics do. The central Thai-Siamese can enforce their language and culture on the folks in Issan all they want but in the end, they'll still be playing the Kaen and eating pa-daek.

Call a rose by any other name and it still has the same beautiful look. It is the same for the Issan people.

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In 1970 , it was my second year in university of Fine Art and studying " The history of Art in Indochina "
So where are you during 1970 .




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The different between Laos language and Thailand language is depend on who you asked.

If you ask Laos or Laotian, its about 75%

If you ask Thais or Thailand, its about 20%

Its the same percentage if you ask these question?

1.  Are Laos and Thais brothers
2.  Are Laos smarter than Thais
3.  Are Laos girls prettier than Thais
4.  Are Isane in Thailand speak Laos
5.  Laos language or Thailand language came first.
     This one will Probably be 80% and 10% respectively
6. Who care about who more


YOU GET MY POINT. 

ANSWER:

1.  NO
2. YES
3. YES
4. YES
5. LAOS
6. IT SHOULD BE EQUAL

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LEKNKP,

This is my first time logged in & posting in LaoWebsite.
I'm not agree with Guru about " the name change from Lao to Isan in 70's during Lao revolution " it's not correct , Isan is name from it location not race, in Thai Isan mean northeastern nothing related with any ethnicity. I'm quite worry about some misunderstanding in our history still occured and some day will ruin our relationships.

When the government of Thailand gave the name Isan to other citizens in Thailand. It means the people are of different ethnic and nation or the land was occupied during war time.  From the North to the South, the people are called Isan.  Isan people are happy to be part of Thailand so let it be.  They should decide their own future.  They are neither Thais nor Laos.  But are related to both.




Tibet, occupied by Chinese
Shan, occupied by Burmese





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lol, I think Tibet isn't an example cause they would be independant, allways and allways ... but, they can't when you see that China is a very very big country ! (but not democratic).

Isan are Lao origins but Thai citizens. I fear that they forgot their own origins, Lao origins, cause when Isaan is taken by Thai, Government do a horrible politic, Isaan can't speak Lao, they must to be Thai 100% ... and now, I read that Isaan people (younger) don't know their origins, even if All Isaan are not mixt Lao-Thais, allways I see Isaan like my brothers, like khone Lao :)

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i don't know. all i know thai girls are fine.



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Lan_Xang wrote:


LEKNKP,

This is my first time logged in & posting in LaoWebsite.
I'm not agree with Guru about " the name change from Lao to Isan in 70's during Lao revolution " it's not correct , Isan is name from it location not race, in Thai Isan mean northeastern nothing related with any ethnicity. I'm quite worry about some misunderstanding in our history still occured and some day will ruin our relationships.

The author did not mention the name change was per the region or the people living there. He just said it was offcially change to Isan so the people living in the are would not identify themselves as Lao.

I am just glad that they now know they are Lao people and Isan was just lable placed there by Thai government to seperate them from their true heritage.


Baan Chiang , Udonthani show " ISAN " history and heritage for more than 4,000 years.
You heard this name before.

Too obsess with the past , about the thing that will never & ever happened.
Germany , Japan forget past and start new , Now they are number 2 - 3 in the world today.








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Baan Chiang , Udonthani show " ISAN " history and heritage for more than 4,000 years.
You heard this name before.

Too obsess with the past , about the thing that will never & ever happened.
Germany , Japan forget past and start new , Now they are number 2 - 3 in the world today.

 



leknkp,

I don't know or understand what you are trying to say. I was just correcting you. I am not debating you. I am not agreeing or disagreeing with you. You misunderstood the author and I was just making it clear for you.

You said the author of the article incorrectly stated the name ISAN came from the people. In fact he said the name came from the region not the people. The name ISAN only use to identify the Lao people living there.

 


 

 



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Lan_Xang wrote:

leknkp wrote:


Baan Chiang , Udonthani show " ISAN " history and heritage for more than 4,000 years.
You heard this name before.

Too obsess with the past , about the thing that will never & ever happened.
Germany , Japan forget past and start new , Now they are number 2 - 3 in the world today.



leknkp,

I don't know or understand what you are trying to say. I was just correcting you. I am not debating you. I am not agreeing or disagreeing with you. You misunderstood the author and I was just making it clear for you.

You said the author of the article incorrectly stated the name ISAN came from the people. In fact he said the name came from the region not the people. The name ISAN only use to identify the Lao people living there.







" I and a lot of ThaiWebsufer , whom long time observed the forum on LaoBlogs&Webs about the thing between Lao & Thai history , and feel the more posing the more negative that harm our relationship. The past discussion did not support historical knowledge but the hatred more and more which is not good idea , no benefits on both side of the Mekong river. The truth whatever on your book and my book we can not change it , but we can share and compromise .
Don't let non-expertise historian confuse people.



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" I and a lot of ThaiWebsufer , whom long time observed the forum on LaoBlogs&Webs about the thing between Lao & Thai history , and feel the more posing the more negative that harm our relationship. The past discussion did not support historical knowledge but the hatred more and more which is not good idea , no benefits on both side of the Mekong river. The truth whatever on your book and my book we can not change it , but we can share and compromise .
Don't let non-expertise historian confuse people.

 



Leknkp,

I don't know how to make it more plain and simple for you.  It is like we are speaking 2 different things.

Do you undestand that I AM NOT arguing with you?

DO you understand what I am trying to tell you?

Let me show you instead.

The author wrote:

"A Short History of Isan: The native people of Northeastern Thailand are ethnic Laotians and the language they speak is Lao, officially called "Isan" or "Thai-Isan". The name change from "Lao" to "Isan" came in the 70's when the Lao PDR was becoming Communist. A war raged along the Mekong River border in the 70's with some villagers on the Thai side fighting with the Communists, and the Thai army fighting battles to keep the area part of Thailand. Not wanting Northeasterners to identify with or become sympathetic to Communist Laos because of their shared ethnicity, the Thai government began a campaign to change the self-identity of Northeastern people from "Lao" to "Isan". The campaign worked so well that at the present time some Northeasterners don't know their language is the same as that spoken in the Lao PDR (although some Isan people still call themselves and their language "Lao")."


You wrote:
" the name change from Lao to Isan in 70's during Lao revolution " it's not correct , Isan is name from it location not race, in Thai Isan mean northeastern nothing related with any ethnicity."


Tell me where in the article the author claimed the term Isan came from race?


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leknkp wrote:

Lan_Xang

In 1970 , it was my second year in university of Fine Art and studying " The history of Art in Indochina "
So where are you during 1970 .




 Leknkp,

I was born in 1974 and I have a degree in Electrical Engineer.

So I am a lot younger than you apprently. Southeast Asian history is just a hobby I picked up while going to college.

 



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Lan_Xang wrote:

leknkp wrote:



" I and a lot of ThaiWebsufer , whom long time observed the forum on LaoBlogs&Webs about the thing between Lao & Thai history , and feel the more posing the more negative that harm our relationship. The past discussion did not support historical knowledge but the hatred more and more which is not good idea , no benefits on both side of the Mekong river. The truth whatever on your book and my book we can not change it , but we can share and compromise .
Don't let non-expertise historian confuse people.



Leknkp,

I don't know how to make it more plain and simple for you. It is like we are speaking 2 different things.

Do you undestand that I AM NOT arguing with you?

DO you understand what I am trying to tell you?

what Let me show you instead.

The author wrote:

"A Short History of Isan: The native people of Northeastern Thailand are ethnic Laotians and the language they speak is Lao, officially called "Isan" or "Thai-Isan". The name change from "Lao" to "Isan" came in the 70's when the Lao PDR was becoming Communist. A war raged along the Mekong River border in the 70's with some villagers on the Thai side fighting with the Communists, and the Thai army fighting battles to keep the area part of Thailand. Not wanting Northeasterners to identify with or become sympathetic to Communist Laos because of their shared ethnicity, the Thai government began a campaign to change the self-identity of Northeastern people from "Lao" to "Isan". The campaign worked so well that at the present time some Northeasterners don't know their language is the same as that spoken in the Lao PDR (although some Isan people still call themselves and their language "Lao")."


You wrote:
" the name change from Lao to Isan in 70's during Lao revolution " it's not correct , Isan is name from it location not race, in Thai Isan mean northeastern nothing related with any ethnicity."


Tell me where in the article the author claimed the term Isan came from race?






I mention " The name change from " Lao" to " Isan" came in The 70's when the LaoPDR was becoming communist is wrong not correct , because the northeastern part of Thailand is call " ISAN as it location " long time a go before I was born , and The Thai government never call this part of Thailand which most people speak their own dialect as LAO , and again never change the name " Lao " to " ISAN " in whatever year as that author make up.
Now you get it


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I just want to clearify that the article above is not my article.
I forgot to make a reference to the original website, which is available at

http://thailao.net/both_languages.htm


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Hi

I don't think the guy name J. Higbie is neither archaeologist nor historian but a novel writer who make up thing from his dream , his own imagination.
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Listen from the past
living for today
looking for tomorrow.

ENJOY YOUR LIVE

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I just want to clearify that the article above is not my article.
I forgot to make a reference to the original website, which is available at

http://thailao.net/both_languages.htm






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I DONT KNOW WHY YOU ARE WASTING YOUR BREATH TRYING TO CONVINCE THIS THAI PERSON. THE SIAMESE HAD 100 YEARS TO BRIAN WASHED THEM.

THEY ONLY READ HISTORY FROM THEIR OWN BOOKS. IF THEIR BOOKS SAY THEIR CRAPS DONT STINK, THEY WOULD STILL BELIEVE IT SO.

JUST LEAVE THEM ALONE. THEY ARE PROUD TO BE THAI'S OR IS IT ISAN. I'M CONFUSED. WHO CARES

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LAOS IS A NATION. ISAN IS A NATION INSIDE THAILAND.


Why is ISAN so underdeveloped, comparing to Bangkok. Its because the Central Thai government do want them to be powerful. They (siamese) are afraid that
the Isan people of Laos decendant will run the country.

Why are they so afriad to let Isan run the country. Maybe they dont trust the Isan people, maybe they think Isan people are uneducated rice farmer, or maybe Isan people and their land are just occupied land and occupied people.


Something they should asked themselves. Me personally, i dont care!

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THAILAND SOMEDAY WILL SPLIT INTO 3 SEPERATED COUNTRIES. THE SIGN IS ALL THERE.  THE MUSLIM IN THE SOUTH ARE FIGHTING FOR THEIR OWN NATION. ISAN IN THE NORTHEST ARE SPLIT 50/50 IF THEY ARE LAOS OR THAIS.  AND MANY CENTRAL THAIS IN BANGKOK WANTS TO RETURN THE NAME OF THE COUNTRY TO SIAM.



1. ISAN (?)
2. SIAM (SIAMESE)
3. PHATANI (MUSLIM SOUTH)

HOW LONG WILL THE GOVERNMENT OF THAILAND HOLD IT TOGETHER.

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It is very easy, and not very intelligent, to simply reject a point of view that you don't agree with. It is much harder, and much more intelligent, to provide a better argument to replace the one you do not agree with.

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The term 'northeast' is a political one that assumes that the 'centre' is Bangkok, and the Thai monarchy. But at various points in history this area was not 'northeast', it was in fact 'southwest' from Vientiane and language Prabang, and even briefly 'southeast' from Burma. It is certainly true that the Thai government waged an intense campaign to make sure the northeast remain the northeast and did not become the southwest again. This was during the time when Thailand was afraid of Lao communism, and when right-wing Thai nationalists, troops and police murdered dozens of students at Thammasat university. It was a sad time for Thailand, but it certainly made the 'northeast' what it is today - a place where many people who are ethnically Lao don't realise that historically they have more in common with the Lao on the other side of the Mekong than with the Thai in Bangkok. This is an uncomfortably truth, for both the Thai of Bangkok and for young Thai of Isarn, who have forgotten their roots.

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I DONT KNOW WHY YOU ARE WASTING YOUR BREATH TRYING TO CONVINCE THIS THAI PERSON. THE SIAMESE HAD 100 YEARS TO BRIAN WASHED THEM.

THEY ONLY READ HISTORY FROM THEIR OWN BOOKS. IF THEIR BOOKS SAY THEIR CRAPS DONT STINK, THEY WOULD STILL BELIEVE IT SO.

JUST LEAVE THEM ALONE. THEY ARE PROUD TO BE THAI'S OR IS IT ISAN. I'M CONFUSED. WHO CARES





Hi guy

Do you believe what J.Higbie written that " The Thai Government change name " Lao " to " Isan " in 1970 ?
If so , there will be your problem .
The world know that if Lao and Thai hate each other , The Viet will be very happy.

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wrong sir, not in the 70s but long before w/w II and esarn people consider themselve as thai, not lao at all, so stop worrying about that, the chief thing is that we share the same language and no need of interpreter to understand each other. history is history and historians didn`t mind and didn`t hesitate to lye for the well being of their own country ! and the younger generations cannot and have no right to criticize them `cos they were not there to witness it two or three hundred years ago. hehe ! to believe or not to believe !
regards.

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" RAO DOAN KAO DAH FREE MA NAAN LAEW KRUB

JAH HAI TAM YANG RAI DEE KRUB POR MAE PEE NONG"

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wrong sir, not in the 70s but long before w/w II and esarn people consider themselve as thai, not lao at all, so stop worrying about that, the chief thing is that we share the same language and no need of interpreter to understand each other. history is history and historians didn`t mind and didn`t hesitate to lye for the well being of their own country ! and the younger generations cannot and have no right to criticize them `cos they were not there to witness it two or three hundred years ago. hehe ! to believe or not to believe !
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Hey, Chiip,

If LEKNKP, accept that he is Lao, it would be a positive. I wonder how the thhe rest of Isan people think of that.

 



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If you have the access of information like in Thailand you should use it.  Read from other texts and other source of information.  Not just from you own government.  The USA government lies about IRAG, the CHINESE government lies about its human rights abuse.  

Every governments. It does not matter  democratic  or  communism,  have a hidden  agenda.  They will used propaganda for their own causes.

Be smart and be intelligent and learn more.  Dont just believe in what your government tell you.




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For a Thai guy with computer, you sure dont read much.  Read more and learn more. If you read just one book, you can only learn from that book.

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For a Thai guy with computer and books, you sure dont read much.  If you read from just one book, you will only learn from that book.  Open you mind.

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i`m sorry to say that esarn people say and think they are just thai not lao, I used to live with them, although they speak lao, their heart and soul are thai... anyway, we`ll continue to consider them as friends , as relatives or as partners... to tell the truth, the esarn people like to visit laos but they `re affraid to be arrested... yes they believe that we are not human, I see that the thai government propaganda works very well , how people could believe such rubish... hehehe !
regards.

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คนลาวที่ตอบๆกันนี่ไม่ได้เข้าใจเมืองไทยกันเลยนี่นา

เมืองไทยมันร้อยพ่อพันแม่ มีกลุ่มชาติพันธุ์ต่างวัฒนธรรมต่างภาษามาอาศัยร่วมกันอยู่มากมายนับแต่โบราณ
คนไทยส่วนใหญ่รู้กันทั้งนั้นแหละว่าบรรพบุรุษของตัวเองคือใครมาจากไหน แต่ไม่มีใครสนใจกันหรอกเพราะปัจจุบันนี้เราคือคนไทย เกิดในประเทศไทย มีสัญชาติไทย ภูมิใจในความเป็นไทย ใช้ภาษากรุงเทพเป็นภาษาหลักใช้ในการเขียนหนังสือ ใช้ในการสนทนากับคนต่างถิ่น ส่วนการติดต่อกับกลุ่มท้องถิ่นเดียวกันก็ใช้ภาษาดั้งเดิมของตน

เรื่องแบบนี้คนลาวคงไม่เข้าใจ เพราะสังคมไทยกับลาวมันต่างกัน

แล้วอิสานก็ไม่ได้มีแค่ลาวอย่างเดียวนะ มันยังมีเผ่าพันธุ์อื่นอีกนับสิบ ถ้าไปเหมารวมว่าอิสานเป็นลาว คนบางกลุ่มเขาจะโกรธเอานะเพราะเขาไม่ใช่ลาว


ปล.พิมพ์ไทยแบบนี้จะมีใครอ่านออกไหมเนี่ยbiggrin

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คนลาวที่ตอบๆกันนี่ไม่ได้เข้าใจเมืองไทยกันเลยนี่นา

เมืองไทยมันร้อยพ่อพันแม่ มีกลุ่มชาติพันธุ์ต่างวัฒนธรรมต่างภาษามาอาศัยร่วมกันอยู่มากมายนับแต่โบราณ
คนไทยส่วนใหญ่รู้กันทั้งนั้นแหละว่าบรรพบุรุษของตัวเองคือใครมาจากไหน แต่ไม่มีใครสนใจกันหรอกเพราะปัจจุบันนี้เราคือคนไทย เกิดในประเทศไทย มีสัญชาติไทย ภูมิใจในความเป็นไทย ใช้ภาษากรุงเทพเป็นภาษาหลักใช้ในการเขียนหนังสือ ใช้ในการสนทนากับคนต่างถิ่น ส่วนการติดต่อกับกลุ่มท้องถิ่นเดียวกันก็ใช้ภาษาดั้งเดิมของตน

เรื่องแบบนี้คนลาวคงไม่เข้าใจ เพราะสังคมไทยกับลาวมันต่างกัน

แล้วอิสานก็ไม่ได้มีแค่ลาวอย่างเดียวนะ มันยังมีเผ่าพันธุ์อื่นอีกนับสิบ ถ้าไปเหมารวมว่าอิสานเป็นลาว คนบางกลุ่มเขาจะโกรธเอานะเพราะเขาไม่ใช่ลาว


ปล.พิมพ์ไทยแบบนี้จะมีใครอ่านออกไหมเนี่ยbiggrin



I can see your point, and i value your opinion. I think every body who visit this site have the opportunity to share their thought.
you must be proud of your country and to be Thai.
I feel the same way. Even Laos is small and poor comparing to other countries, I still love my country and i'm proud of being Lao.
Based on the history, language, and culture, I think that Isarn are our

brothers/sisters because we share so many similar things.
It's too bad that some of Isarn don't feel the same way, but I'm sure some will feel that we're related. 



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`m sorry to say that esarn people say and think they are just thai not lao, I used to live with them, although they speak lao, their heart and soul are thai... anyway, we`ll continue to consider them as friends , as relatives or as partners... to tell the truth, the esarn people like to visit laos but they `re affraid to be arrested... yes they believe that we are not human, I see that the thai government propaganda works very well , how people could believe such rubish... hehehe !
regards."





Now we are talking the real talk.  WHo cares about the Isan people.  Care about our own people. 

Laos and Siam had sex.  And we bared a bastard son called "ISAN".  He is more fond of his rich father Siames than his mother Laotian.  So be it. 





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I can't distinct the truth ... even if it's vetter if I'm going to see Isaan people, when I read all yours comments, I can distinct if Issan people would be Lao or Thai, perhaps both.

THAILAND SOMEDAY WILL SPLIT INTO 3 SEPERATED COUNTRIES. THE SIGN IS ALL THERE. THE MUSLIM IN THE SOUTH ARE FIGHTING FOR THEIR OWN NATION. ISAN IN THE NORTHEST ARE SPLIT 50/50 IF THEY ARE LAOS OR THAIS. AND MANY CENTRAL THAIS IN BANGKOK WANTS TO RETURN THE NAME OF THE COUNTRY TO SIAM.

Noooo ! I don't want that :(

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I can't distinct the truth ... even if it's vetter if I'm going to see Isaan people, when I read all yours comments, I can distinct if Issan people would be Lao or Thai, perhaps both.

THAILAND SOMEDAY WILL SPLIT INTO 3 SEPERATED COUNTRIES. THE SIGN IS ALL THERE. THE MUSLIM IN THE SOUTH ARE FIGHTING FOR THEIR OWN NATION. ISAN IN THE NORTHEST ARE SPLIT 50/50 IF THEY ARE LAOS OR THAIS. AND MANY CENTRAL THAIS IN BANGKOK WANTS TO RETURN THE NAME OF THE COUNTRY TO SIAM.

Noooo ! I don't want that :(



What is the point that the writer wants?
Are you Lao or Viet? It is not Lao behavior. Most of Lao would like to stay with peacful.

 



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