It seemed rudiculous to me by claiming that they face persecution in Laos because they served in a CIA-backed guerrilla army led by Pao that fought Lao communists in the 1960s and 1970s. How come they could serve CIA when the war was in Laos, these three men have even not born yet? This message is just to making a confusion for USA to understand Laos. I believe that American people know this well.  

Sabaidee pee nong, puon sahai

If the source has some truth then, Vang Pao must have connection inside LAO. To overthrow a government you must have support particularly the ARMY. The best thing for LAO is lao people must be on ALERT, and AWARE of the bad people wanted to create problem for LAO, NATIONAL SECURITY is important, so lao people are the ears and eyes of Lao government.
UNITY or United people is one force of LAO anybody wanted to occupy or create problems, or war....but if lao people united not much things they can do to LAO. SAMAKEE is very important. United we stand Divided we fall...or even worst.

Hmong issues

Long ago I came across 1 article about Hmong or Meo of Lao, in the magazin called the Economist, it showed a picture of full of Hmong people just 'Kook Kaw' and their hands in pray position to just a few western reporters....for me it's terrible, it seems that they saw white people are superior than them or what....why they have to on the ground and Kneel. They seemed to see white fellows as their masters or something.
But in Australia if an australian worked for a foreign country, then that person regarded as a TRAITOR according to australian media, they won't see that it's your freedom to work and serve any master you like but just plain Traitor. There you are....some views from other country.

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Chiip,

The US, Australia, and the Netherlands have all offered to take the Hmong. The Thai and Lao gov won't allow it. Also the United Nations High Commisioner for refugees has repeatedly asked to be able to observe the refugees both in Laos and Thailand.

The Hmong problem is a very serious one. My hope is that the Lao government treats them well when they return, and that finaly the sad story of the persecution of the Hmong will be over.

Anonymous #1 that artical in the economist is famous. The Hmong are praying to be rescued. They are hunted and  shot by the soldiers every day.

Anonymous #2 Vang Pao and his supporters in the US are a joke. Thier plan was made by people who live in a dream world. Do you know anyone who supports him? I don't. I don't think there is anyone in Laos who wishes the government harm.

Anonymous #3 and #4 It is the danger they face today that they are scared of. Because thier fathers or grandfathers were on the wrong side of a war they now run away. It's probably not easy walking all the way down through Sayaboli and then 100 kilometers into phetchabune province Thailand. The Thai police are very scary also.

About the three men... They all remember almost nothing of Laos, they are too young, they might have just been on vacation.

I hope for peace.

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It is really absurd to claim the Hmong people are hunted and shot by Lao soldiers every day. You just repeated what the Vang Pao, who is an enemy of Lao people, said with aiming to discredit Lao image. This thing had never happened in Laos. You know what? I am a Hmong person in Laos. Yes, Lao government only welcome the Hmong people, who have Lao citizen and want to come back to Laos, but never insist that they have to come back. The real fact is USA government does not want to take them to USA anymore, then Thai government also does not want them to stay there. Don't be a servant of Vang Pao, everyone knows about this.  

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some one still believes what philips smith says ha, he does everything to get paid.
i rmemebered in the old days, a lot of my schoolmates were thahan pee.
if you never heard of, that mean you are very young as the 4 young CIA associates, when the vietnam war ended, they weren't even born 555555555555

weak up ppl,
you are engineer, lawyer, professor, congreswoman and what is not, how come some one like philips smith can lies you as you has no any education.

peace that what lao needs.
please give lao a chance for development.

khonbanna

Philp Smith is a mad ask him to visit mad house. Kick Smith's mouth.

Who is Philip Smith? Why are all of you so angry at him.

I'm sure some of you must have freinds in the military. Maybe even relatives, so you know about the new fighting that started last February. All those soldiers and so few casualties? Who were they fighting?. Why all those dead women and children?

The modern world has come to Laos, cell phones and vidio cameras are your biggest enemy not some old has been like Vang Pao.

Even more dangerous is the internet. Now you too can read everything the rest of the world reads.

I know it upsets you. Truth isn't always fun.

Here's a twist about these Hmong problems in laos and thailand : every one knows that over 20 million hmong/Miao are living inside the mainland china, is there any chance that china would take her hmong people back amongst their own kind ???
Just a thought 

A+

We the Lao soldiers, Lao polices and village militaries will eliminate everybody who do harm to Lao people such as guerrilars or drug traffic.

To the Lao soldiers I also really support your idea, I just remember the fighting at Lao-Thai border, Vang Tao, Champasak province in the year 2000, only one Lieutenant Kham Pho can successful his operation.

Sabaidee puon sahai

The past Prince Souphanouvong is a great man, he was arrested for winning the election, he was in jail, after that was rescued and had to sacrifice a lot, imagine for yourself a Prince but had to live in Cave for what he stood for.
I think LAO is lucky to have such a Prince..... SIAR SALA PUAR SAD, TON TUK TON JARK PUAR ID SALAR KORNG PATHED. LAO now is a peaceful country, let together help to keep it that way. PEACE for all.

Philip Smith is a director of Hmong Veteran in Washington.

of course there a lot of  mhong in Lao party and Lao government, and many of them hold  high positions. this can be seen only in Laos. of course there are mhong in many countries, but in those countries mhong cannot take any participation in government or party. only small number of mhong who wrongly believe the lie from Vangpao and USA. most of mhong are living peacefully and gather with all people to develop Laos

thank you

http://hmongstudies.org/Yoshikawa.pdf
"there are mhong in many countries, but in those countries mhong cannot take any participation in government or party"

Click on the link above for the story of a woman who became a state senator who is Hmong, originaly from Laos.

Most Hmong outside of Asia have adapted to life in thier new countries, indeed for many of the younger people Laos and Asia are the far away place thier grandfathers came from. Mostly young Hmong worry about getting a new car, going to college, meeting a girl, doing regular things that all young men do.

Most people everywhere are very similar. That's why wars are stupid. Who do we want to kill and why? Ourselves?

So Lao government should invite the hmong who wanted to wage war agaisnt LAO, come in and sit down and have a cup of tea, kakaka. I did not see the american do that in Iraq  Talk trash, reality is that a country, a government and an army did not behave like that. Army of a country is to defend the country....but not to invade or attack other country otherwise that army will stuck in the mud, as we see even now. Look around and we will see it.

Put it in your situation as the Minister of Defense of a country what you will do or should do if a particularly group of people wanted to create war wiht the country? Ask or invite them please come and have a cup of tea? or if you do not stop and come out ....it's going to be else Ohhh la noooooo mor lum teui.

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So Lao government should invite the hmong who wanted to wage war agaisnt LAO, come in and sit down and have a cup of tea, kakaka. I did not see the american do that in Iraq Talk trash, reality is that a country, a government and an army did not behave like that. Army of a country is to defend the country....but not to invade or attack other country otherwise that army will stuck in the mud, as we see even now. Look around and we will see it.

Put it in your situation as the Minister of Defense of a country what you will do or should do if a particularly group of people wanted to create war wiht the country? Ask or invite them please come and have a cup of tea? or if you do not stop and come out ....it's going to be else Ohhh la noooooo mor lum teui.

 

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I would outright rape everyone of their children and women, and accuse them of being "rebels".

view 34. i agree 100% with your comment, everyone in laos have to live under the law, if not , you are outlaw, an oulaw have to hide himsefl from being caught by authority. lao government cannot let these few bad people roaming in the jungle waiting occasion to attact and steal goods from innocent people. in laos, many hmongs are holding high position in the party, and in many state owned companies... those people who don`t be beleive that how lao government took care of returnees have to go to kasy district to see their new location.
regards.

Personnaly, i saw it and it looks good
But i also saw some pictures of girls and young children killed by guns... it was particulary disgusting and the comments where horrible (believe it or not.... i don't know how reliable is the source, but it really looked real)
And i saw also the video report from a french journalist (try search "guerre secrete au laos" on emule) where you can see young mongh injured by gun, all family living in the mountain and just trying to save their live against some soldiers. The french journalist risked his live to make this report

those documents, thanks to Internet cannot stay secret.... now each person have to make it's own opinion about the situation
Personaly, i think it's false to say there is no hmong problem, but some people seeing it from outside exagerate and don't see the reality too, because  many hmongs live in peace in Laos... if there is a problem , it's just with a few of them. But if some Lao soldiers rape women and kill children, whatever do some guys of their groups (attack people on the road..) this is clearly unaceptable.
Other point: foreigner talking about this problem always say: that's the fault of lao government.... but do lao government really control this? maybe some soldeir do it without the aproval of governement....

Don't be stupid to believe the servants of Vang Pao. The picture that you have seen is a fake. They just acted so that they could get some money from their boss. If you don't believe come to Laos and see by your eyes they live in reality. I really praised the USA government for the fact that Vang Pao was arrested.   

yes, laos is too wide for only 6 million people and its government is not strong enough to control every event happening in the country. perhaps bad soldiers may turn themself to brigand and persecute innocent hmong people i`m sure that authority concerned know nothing about this.... it seems that the us government would mend the law about hmong people and ready to take 8000 of them from huynamkhao to the united of america....it is to say that many more hmongs would flee laos to thailand for better life ... and laos wil be blamed by international for persecuting them or for not having tried enough to make their living condition better ect...

I think you see from the youtube about mhong hunting. that is fake, they just create in somewhere in Thailand. Because the international organization who concerns has asked the Lao government about the truth of that video, and they invistigated already which turned out that that video is not real, it was acting. I agree with the person who said that if the Lao government do the hunting the mhong, surely no single mhong will be left in jungle. in the Xiengkouang province, my hometown, have a lot of mhong living peacefully with all people there.
 Anyway  I think in every country, national security is highest one. they will not let the right of any small group of people to decide over or again the national security, example if there one group want seperate or want to change the regime, which govenment will let them do, no way.  of course the basic human right need to be guaranteed, but the human right can not set again the national security right.

that is only my opinion

rgards

Sabaidee Good morning

If a community, a village lives far away from the main cities or towns, particularly up in the mountains then is not easy for Lao government to bring electricity to that community, because Lao government does not have the resources to do so. The country is not rich yet. In real life isolated villages in LAO always are poor and stay poor, because there is virtually no good opportunity to move forward. Like one previous comment stated that there are lot of hmong people live in XiengKhuang and they are allright. For me what I saw hmong people settle down right in the centre of Vientiane, they have good house and shop selling everything, and I myself sometime buy clothes with a hmong man who sell clothes in Khuar deen market....they are doing okay and have no problem with other community in the market.

None of you wants to say the government is at fault. They are indeed at fault, to a certain extent.

http://www.startribune.com/462/story/1411974.html

Three men go missing in a 3rd world country? Three men from the U.S. with education, going missing in Laos? With reports that they were taken to jail, and you all want to turn the blind eye and say that they had bad intentions?

To those who said the rapes were fake, the videos were fake: who ever fakes a ****in rape? Did you not see the video of the Hmong child with his stomach hanging out? How can you get a child to fake that? The Lao government has some fault in that and some of you people don't want to admit it, because it is the "Lao PEOPLE's Democratic Republic", you don't want the stigma of being Lao, the people who's government is supposedly commiting acts against humanity.

After WWII, There was a great qoute. It goes:

"When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out."

It seems humanity can't learn **** from one another because some people are allowing things like the Hmong-Lao government conflict and Darfur to keep happening.

All the reports of bad doings fromt he Lao PRP are from the western world, with no reports to counter-act them. If there is no report to disclaim it, THEN HOW CAN YOU SAY ITS ALL UNTRUE?

I'm truly sorry if you find this whole post mean or rude. I, personally, am a Humanist, which is something that Lao people seem to get a grasp of. Because three men go missing in Lao, and because they are Hmong ethnic, they are presumed to be men with "bad intentions". God damn people just look at that little girl with the sign, and you tell that girl her father has "bad intentions".

In the past I saw document about Vang Pao controlled by CIA, during the war and this document was made by americans themselve....to tell the ugly side of servants and Vang Pao despotic warlod and they called him. Is in the Lao update.com forum like this that someone posted that video document and I downloaded into my PC so for me....Vang Pao is a crook like this document showed us, he forced the young children as 9 and 10 years old to fight for him, with guns in their hand as that age....it said that if Vang Pao found out hmong people who did not follow him he actually killed them.

 Another time I came across at Asiatimes.com again from Richard S Ehrlich of Columbia University USA this article was online in 14/June/2005 (Aisatimes.com) again the quote was the same 'The Politics of Heroin' and 'despotic warlod' Vang Pao even had a factory to produce heroin in Long Cheng according to this document....so he was a kind of despotic warlod above Law and Constitution.

So because of these documents I believe Vang Pao was a crook and his followers are just the same crooks, all kind of crooks... If you wanted to complaint go and complaint with the one who made these documents.

I don't care about Vang Pao. Those three men are presumed to not be related to Vang Pao.

You act like Vang Pao represents every Hmong person out there. I don't remember anyone claiming Kaisone represented every Lao person out there.

How was Vang Pao even put into this tread?