Cambodia to build 2 sky train lines in Phnom Penh

Date: Aug 30, 2007

Thailand to build sky train and Malaysia to set up KFC outlets in Cambodia, sorry not Laos !!!

Date: Aug 30, 2007

Actually, I don't be jealous of the fact that in my country there are no these two things. Our population is small that why Laos does not need sky train. It would make Vientiane urgly. For the KFC, I guess, Laos does not need either. Bird flu is really dangerous. For time being it would make harm than good. People cannot feed chicken in Laos, if there is KCF company then they would need to import the raw chicken from other country. Also, the company will not be happy as well, people will not eat KFC as they are afraid of bird flu.

Date: Aug 30, 2007

nowaday, the cities in Laos have no traffic jam problem as other country, so sorry Laos have no demand for it. KFC will lose it it open in Laos because it still very has low value for Laotian. Thanks

Date: Aug 30, 2007

Sabaidee der pee nong

I agree with the above comments, Lao does not have huge population so there is no need for Metro or Sky train...Just improve public bus services around Vientiane then it would be fine. In the case of KFC, fried chicken, normally it serves with chip, even KFC open in Lao the business won't make much profit because of not big population, the other hand lao people habit eat differently, not just fried chicken and chip.

Date: Aug 30, 2007

I agree with you. I am jealous. I like the way that Vientiane be now, not necessary to have the trafficjam, the too crowd of building, too noisy sound from train.
Vientiane will be a example of good city in the future. of course, Vientiane need developing, but we can develop in own way, no need to copy every thing from others. I mean Vientian can be developed without the crowd of tall building, trafficjam, too noisy sound of train. I like to hear people say that when looking down from plane flying over Vientiane, they see only forest, it look like no city.

I think that will be concept of future development. We can see people in the developed countries are in the high pressure everyday, they can see no longer than about 20 - 30 meters, and their ears are full of noise everyday, that why they come to Vientiane and like it so much.
I think We are lucky living in Laos, where is very comfortable, peaceful and beautiful.

Date: Aug 30, 2007

sorry, I wrote wrong, I wanted to write" I am not jealous" in comment above

samakomlao · Guru

Who say Laos has no KFC? check this topic

http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?forumID=98894&p=3&topicID=10671667

Date: Aug 30, 2007

KFC will make beautiful Lao girls fat and give them zits. It is filthy fast food. Better to eat keng nor mai and tam mak houng, but cut down on the paadek .
Skytrain shmytrain, who cares.

Date: Aug 31, 2007

are you sure Laos doesn't want tall buildings, sky train, subway, international brands fast food restaurant and international standard things? hahaha... funny,. You guy Lao should produce more baby,. no one want to invest in your such a small population country haha... :) go on Laos

Date: Aug 31, 2007

There must be something wrong with the lao mentality - muk uad dee - ....laos needs everything but can't do anything. ..lao mind is a terrible thing to waste !!!

Date: Aug 31, 2007

I think human lust never change.
The more money you have, the more and more you want to have.
Until oneday, when you almost die, you will know that money is actually
a piece of paper.

Date: Aug 31, 2007

KFC is fast food, but Lao life style is still unbusy life, so the demand for it so low , then Laos will have only small number of fast food in the near future ( but may be change when Lao life much more busier than fast food can help reducing the time )

Date: Aug 31, 2007

Sabaidee all

You are right KFC is fast food and according to many researches 'Fast Food' is bad for your health, it's not healthy food. Stick to Ping Kai is better, eat 'Kuai Teow' or Phor even better, you see you eat Phor with lot of vegetables...that's good for our health.

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Date: Sep 1, 2007

See the problem with Lao people is that they live in the Past and Present, never thinking about the future. All of the comments above said that Vientiane has no traffic jams, no need for sky trains, etc. People have commented what the Lao pople have or had, but never about the potential of what they can attain.

Since Laos is a small country, mountainous like Japan, they could definately use a Bullet Train (Shinkansen) system like Japan. At the moment, no demand, of course.

I've notice on this forum that a lot of the comments are really conservative. Why is that? Former King of Cambodia, Norodom Sihanouk once stated that "Cambodia is a liberal democracy and should allow gay marriage" and because of that Liberalism, and because of that Democratic intention, and also knowing what Violent Revolution has done, Cambodia is more prosperous.

I have to disagree and those high rise buildings, traffic jams, etc. are all signs of a developed modern civilization. Those buildings can definately stay out of Luang Phrabang but the Siamese burnt down Vientiane and nearly 200 years later, it hasn't rebuild itself. Where are all the engineers? The Humanitarians? The brains in Laos? Where?

Date: Sep 1, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

See the problem with Lao people is that they live in the Past and Present, never thinking about the future. All of the comments above said that Vientiane has no traffic jams, no need for sky trains, etc. People have commented what the Lao pople have or had, but never about the potential of what they can attain.

Since Laos is a small country, mountainous like Japan, they could definately use a Bullet Train (Shinkansen) system like Japan. At the moment, no demand, of course.

I've notice on this forum that a lot of the comments are really conservative. Why is that? Former King of Cambodia, Norodom Sihanouk once stated that "Cambodia is a liberal democracy and should allow gay marriage" and because of that Liberalism, and because of that Democratic intention, and also knowing what Violent Revolution has done, Cambodia is more prosperous.

I have to disagree and those high rise buildings, traffic jams, etc. are all signs of a developed modern civilization. Those buildings can definately stay out of Luang Phrabang but the Siamese burnt down Vientiane and nearly 200 years later, it hasn't rebuild itself. Where are all the engineers? The Humanitarians? The brains in Laos? Where?

This guy seems to know nothing about Laos or showed off that he is so clever. You guy be reasonable, don't look down Lao people. They know how to develop their country.

Date: Sep 1, 2007

No, I do know about Laos. I know that 30% of all educated Lao people DO NOT live in the county. I know that Laos suffers from one of the most serious cases of Brain Drain in the world. Explain that to me.

I don't remember typing that I looked down on my own people, but sure put words in my mouth.

You know, most people have said that Lao people in Laos are happy with what they have. Did it ever dawn on anyone that they say that because they know thats all they'll ever amount to?

A lot of people like to mix up prosperity, growing economy, more money, with bad things. Never can anyone be optimistic? How with more money flowing into the country, if the government does not get a hold of it, there can be better education, better this and that, but still some want to associate that with more greed, crime, and loss of the "charm" Laos has.

I am reasonable, I know people have wants and needs. I don't bottle cap things when there is a force behind it. I agree, a skytrain is a bit out of the way for a country that has had a higher growth rate than Cambodia, but still is the poorest country of Asia.

Date: Sep 1, 2007

Sabaidee der pee nong

I do not totally agree with the idea of build high rising buidings mean ' development and civilised' and rich etc....but we have a look at the rank of number 1 in everything of the world is a small country in Europe Findland and Sweden, and Sweden always states that they run their country like Socialism, so Democracy not necessary mean everything because if we look at East Timor how many years did the country follow the path of Democracy....and the society of East Timor now does not look good....
High rise buildings are good for country with huge population and less land, like Hong Kong, but Lao we still have plenty of land and inhabitant only few millions not even 8 millions yet, so at the moment there is no need for high rise buildings.
Country like Australia, rich but even that Australia has problems with lot of hotels rooms after the Sydney Olympic did not have customers, and those hotels did not have money to maintain and run them, as rich as Australia still could not manage this problem. So it only good if those high rise buildings have clients otherwise....it paused a real issue. perhaps Lao need some kind of hotels for Sea Games...but to say that Lao should look for investors for building high rise buildings....so the country looks developping, civilised I am not sure there are people wanted to put their money in this business, not yet.

Date: Sep 1, 2007

I agree with you. I am jealous. I like the way that Vientiane be now, not necessary to have the trafficjam, the too crowd of building, too noisy sound from train.
Vientiane will be a example of good city in the future. of course, Vientiane need developing, but we can develop in own way, no need to copy every thing from others. I mean Vientian can be developed without the crowd of tall building, trafficjam, too noisy sound of train. I like to hear people say that when looking down from plane flying over Vientiane, they see only forest, it look like no city.

I think that will be concept of future development. We can see people in the developed countries are in the high pressure everyday, they can see no longer than about 20 - 30 meters, and their ears are full of noise everyday, that why they come to Vientiane and like it so much.
I think We are lucky living in Laos, where is very comfortable, peaceful and beautiful.

hey, sorry, the wrote above.

That is only my own opinion. I think Laos can be developed by Lao's way that may not need the crowd of building, and preserve a lot of forest, and no need too crowded train system. But Lao can make them properly. preserve environment.
I live in Japan 20 years, I moved from Laos since I was 10 years old.
From my own experience, Lao should not develop like Japan, it is too hard to live in Japan. since Laos still in the start of developement, Laos should develop for people to live easily, friendly,...., I think development do not always mean to the tall building, crowdth of train....
thank you

Date: Sep 1, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

No, I do know about Laos. I know that 30% of all educated Lao people DO NOT live in the county. I know that Laos suffers from one of the most serious cases of Brain Drain in the world. Explain that to me.

I don't remember typing that I looked down on my own people, but sure put words in my mouth.

You know, most people have said that Lao people in Laos are happy with what they have. Did it ever dawn on anyone that they say that because they know thats all they'll ever amount to?

A lot of people like to mix up prosperity, growing economy, more money, with bad things. Never can anyone be optimistic? How with more money flowing into the country, if the government does not get a hold of it, there can be better education, better this and that, but still some want to associate that with more greed, crime, and loss of the "charm" Laos has.

I am reasonable, I know people have wants and needs. I don't bottle cap things when there is a force behind it. I agree, a skytrain is a bit out of the way for a country that has had a higher growth rate than Cambodia, but still is the poorest country of Asia.

As we know everyone wants to be rich, but..... Who would want to do when he would be to loser. We do thing we expect that it would be beneficial. That means we get money back with benefit. What would happen if after the skytrain is built but less people use? In Vientiane only about 600000 people live there. Imagine, how would government return the money which loan from the bank. Yes, you see now our government with foreign partners concentrate on electropower dam. Why? Because they see how to get money back and it is really beneficial for our people and our country as well.
I think we should be more reasonable, but not just want it to be there.

paris_vientiane · Guru

Anonymous wrote:

I agree with you. I am not jealous. I like the way that Vientiane be now, not necessary to have the trafficjam, the too crowd of building, too noisy sound from train.
Vientiane will be a example of good city in the future. of course, Vientiane need developing, but we can develop in own way, no need to copy every thing from others. I mean Vientian can be developed without the crowd of tall building, trafficjam, too noisy sound of train. I like to hear people say that when looking down from plane flying over Vientiane, they see only forest, it look like no city.

I think that will be concept of future development. We can see people in the developed countries are in the high pressure everyday, they can see no longer than about 20 - 30 meters, and their ears are full of noise everyday, that why they come to Vientiane and like it so much.
I think We are lucky living in Laos, where is very comfortable, peaceful and beautiful.

You're absoloutly right... i agree with you.
Laos is not an overcrowded country and that's a very good thing that should be preserved.

But about trafic jams, i discoverded Vientiane in 2002, with only motorbikes and no trafic jams.
I went back to Vientiane in 2005: i saw more and more big pick-up and now there are some trafic jams. Is this the developement way lao people want for their capital? more trafic jam, time loose, pollution, energy (gaz) dependency, difficulties to park they car?
I think lao people shoul think a little bit more a of the (bad consequenses) when they spend all their money in a big and fore sure comfortable pick-up... that is not so good if you consider the overall "good and bads", especialy if more and more people do the same. Are they sure they have nothing better to do with their money (like investment...)

Good development and enrichment is not always what it seems to be at first look. Lao people should be very carrefull when they import some ideas from other countries: try to take only the good and not the bad.... not opposite.
Modern capitals now try to put the cars out the city, and develop more and more buses, biclycles, motorbikes, trains...because they know now that a big city with too many cars is not good for living conditions... very uncomfortable. So why lao people who develop their country copy the bad old ideas of thooses countries, and do not try to benefit from their experience and develop really modern solutions (that sometimes look not modern, look like a step back, but in fact are REAL modern way of thinking)

Who wants Vientiane to become like bangkok in the future?

-- Edited by paris_vientiane at 13:48, 2007-09-01

paris_vientiane · Guru

hey, sorry, the wrote above.

That is only my own opinion. I think Laos can be developed by Lao's way that may not need the crowd of building, and preserve a lot of forest, and no need too crowded train system. But Lao can make them properly. preserve environment.
I live in Japan 20 years, I moved from Laos since I was 10 years old.
From my own experience, Lao should not develop like Japan, it is too hard to live in Japan. since Laos still in the start of developement, Laos should develop for people to live easily, friendly,...., I think development do not always mean to the tall building, crowdth of train....
thank you

I definitly agree with your vision of Laos
Laos starts its development, so it should benefits from the latest ideas of developed countries (ecology, "developpement durable" in french... i dont know in english... maybe respectfull development, respect of culture diversity, of history...),
As Laos start from near nothing about development, they can make the "new ideas" of modern countries become real more easily than those moderns countries that would have to change what they built in the past, and not just build something new. Change something existing is sometimes much more difficult than do something new from nothing.

If you can speak french you are very welcome on my website (link below)

Date: Sep 1, 2007

I strongly agree with above last three comment, and those are exactly what I also want to say. I think the important thing is that Laos should develop in Lao's way.and Laos is in very very good position, because Lao are starting to develop their country among the variety of countries that have different level of development. So Lao can learn the good thing and the bad thing from those countries, and make their development is more real and more perfect. I think now a lot of people have changed their vision of development.
for me, the real development is for people to live happily, easier, friendly, peacefully, respectively,. but not when country developed make people get depressed, pressured, unfriendly, unrespectively,.
and I think people will live happily and easily, friendly if the development can maintain the way they when they are happy, or when they were happy. and we know people are very friendly where the environment around them is relaxible, peaceful. therefore, the real development is not necessary mean to the tall tense of tall building, heavy and dirty factory.
the past and current development is the process of full copy. like Japan and South Korean, Taiwan....have been copied from USA. and now In Japan has many problems in term of culture or indentity. or we can see from Thailand.
so lao can avoid the bad thing.

I can not read French, I check your web, that is truly wonderful, I can see the picture of my Hometown, I really miss it, I will return soon. Thank for that wonderful web
thank you

paris_vientiane · Guru

and we all, people of all the world should never forget something :

It's absolutly impossible that everyone in the world live the same way we live in Paris, New York or Tokyo. Why? Simply because this way of living needs A LOT of energy (for cars or transportations, for air control, for manufacturing all the product we buy and use, to treat rubish...), and the Earth Planet is absolutly unable to provide so much energy to each people living on it (Now, we know it... before, when we builded this world, we didn't know that). Look simply at how the "developement" of a minority of people (the one living in the most "developed" countries) contributed to destroy environment all over the world and reduced natural resources. Imagine the consequences if 5 o 6 time more people live this same way!!!! That's simply impossible and would mean the end of humanity!

So countries that start their development now really HAVE to find a new way of development, strongly more respectfull of nature and environment. That's not a "hobby for rich people", that's something very important for all humanity... if we don't all consider it NOW, in a few years, it will be too late.

And of course, people who live in "develloped countries" too have to find as soon as possible some solutions to change their way of live, change their way of considering development, in order to reduce their need of energy (gaz, electricity), and natural ressources (iron, oil for plastics...)... because Earth won't be able to support them for a long time any more.

The "Future" of Laos should not be the "Present" of the other "developed cities in the world"... it should just be the "Future of Laos".... and maybe other cities/countries will consider Laos as an exemple to follow and copy.... in French we say "La roue tourne" this mean "The weal turns", mean things change... the poor become rich and the rich become poor, the good become bad and the bad become good...etc.

-- Edited by paris_vientiane at 14:41, 2007-09-01

-- Edited by paris_vientiane at 09:33, 2007-09-02

Date: Sep 1, 2007

Phi Nong Thang Lai

Kin Tum Mak Hung lai lai der.

Date: Sep 1, 2007

"Absolutely" NOT "Absoloutly"

ໂອຍນໍ ເຈົ້າກະດາຍ...
Check your spelling, before posting...ໜ້າອາຍເຂົາ

Date: Sep 1, 2007

Sabaidee pee nong

Stop playing in teh sas man/girl/boy biggrin . Yes I think rich countries produced more rubbish and consumed all sort of things more than the poor countries. It says one person in First World country generates lot of trashes....look at his/her rubbish bin, you see empty cans food, wrapping paper from other sources of food....etc. First World consume everything more, so it produced more pollution, it destroy the planet eco system....you name it.
Everything has a price. LAO should balance things out when develop the country. Self sufficient is good what it means is lao people will survive day in day out, without getting support directly from Lao government, in the same time develop countries citizens must live under social security's system, if not they have to go to Charity Organisations like Salvation Army or Saint Vincent de Paul to ask for hand out food.

paris_vientiane · Guru

Anonymous wrote:

"Absolutely" NOT "Absoloutly"

ໂອຍນໍ ເຈົ້າກະດາຍ...
Check your spelling, before posting...ໜ້າອາຍເຂົາ

corrected.

sorry, english is not my native language, as for many people there.... you cannot expect a "perfect language" without any mistake.

and no need to shout (use BIGGG letters)
no need also to write in lao language with me, i don't speak lao yet (i bought the books to learn, but no time yet...)

Date: Sep 2, 2007

Sabaidee, bonjour paris-vientiane.

You don't have to feel bad of people correct your typing mistakes. I myself mix up about french word and english one from time to time. Cela m'est egal. But all the comments you wrote I do understand your point of views and that's the main things.
Parce qu'on parle et ecrit francais et englais parfois on ecrit en francais au lieu de francais, it happens but that's not serious thing wink

chiip · Guru

it`s good to understand many languages, congratulation to lao people living in france and other parts in the world who posting their feeling in this web. i see that every time that it is question on Vientiane city, it always becomes a hot topic : everyone want our vientiane to become nice and comfortable to live in...great to hear from you all ... for me francophones or anglophones are welcome.
regards.

Date: Sep 3, 2007

Greeting from Laos,

Welcome all comments from abroad. Frankly speaking, we Lao people really appreciate all constructive comments or opinion, but for comments with purpose to discredit Lao image, we really hate, particularly while knowing nothing about Laos, but talking rubbish.

Regards,

Date: Sep 4, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Greeting from Laos,

Welcome all comments from abroad. Frankly speaking, we Lao people really appreciate all constructive comments or opinion, but for comments with purpose to discredit Lao image, we really hate, particularly while knowing nothing about Laos, but talking rubbish.

Regards,

Yes, you are really right. If I were foreigner, I would not allow myself to criticize other countries' government, unless I have a good suggestion or concrete exemple which would probably make things better.

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